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HWH Air Leveling Issues Found
#1

So I have been having issues with my air leveling acting wonky. Typical issue would be it airing up with a list to the passenger side. I messed around at the rear six pack and proved by manually overriding the solenoids that the system was working fine from the air solenoid onward. Richard had lead me to where the control box would be found in another thread. 
I Today I finally opened up the HWH control box below the driver seat in the outside compartment. I was checking things with my power probe and generally examining looking for anything out of place. I put my power probe on one of the fuses and notice it started clicking and all I was doing was touching it. 

Upon closer inspection this is what I found:

   
   
As you can see the fuse was not correctly seated in the fuse holder, I found 2 of the solenoid fuses like this. 

After putting these fuses back into the holders, seems that the system is now operating correctly. I will need to do some more testing but I did hit the raise button and it raised the entire coach up, before it would just raise the left side. 

Here is a photo of my HWH control box
   

Here is the box layout drawing on the back of the cover
   

Showing where I found the box
   

Jeff LoGiudice
Temple Terrace, Fl & Loudon & Monterey, TN
1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge PT40
1998 Newell 2000 #490
1986 MCI/TMC 102A3 (sold)
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#2

I will spare you the gory details. I had recurrent wonky issues with the HWH system that were eventually traced to oxidized fuses in the main power supply to the boards. I pulled them all out, cleaned the fuses, and put them back in with a liberal coating of anti oxidizing goop.

Richard and Rhonda Entrekin
95 Newell, 390  Ex caretaker
99 Newell, 512  Ex caretaker
07 Prevost Marathon, 1025
Maverick Hybrid Toad
Inverness, FL (when we're home Cool )
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#3

(11-07-2023, 03:14 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  So I have been having issues with my air leveling acting wonky. Typical issue would be it airing up with a list to the passenger side. I messed around at the rear six pack and proved by manually overriding the solenoids that the system was working fine from the air solenoid onward. Richard had lead me to where the control box would be found in another thread. 
I Today I finally opened up the HWH control box below the driver seat in the outside compartment. I was checking things with my power probe and generally examining looking for anything out of place. I put my power probe on one of the fuses and notice it started clicking and all I was doing was touching it. 

Upon closer inspection this is what I found:




As you can see the fuse was not correctly seated in the fuse holder, I found 2 of the solenoid fuses like this. 

After putting these fuses back into the holders, seems that the system is now operating correctly. I will need to do some more testing but I did hit the raise button and it raised the entire coach up, before it would just raise the left side. 

Here is a photo of my HWH control box


Here is the box layout drawing on the back of the cover


Showing where I found the box
Good Job....A great find!

Steve & Doris Denton
45' Newell #525, Bath & Half....sold
37' Country Coach, Tribute....Cat C9, 400 hp
2014 Honda CRV Toad
Summerfield, FL
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#4

(11-07-2023, 04:16 PM)Richard Wrote:  I will spare you the gory details. I had recurrent wonky issues with the HWH system that were eventually traced to oxidized fuses in the main power supply to the boards. I pulled them all out, cleaned the fuses, and put them back in with a liberal coating of anti oxidizing goop.
That might be a clue, it appears that the previous owner was pretty good about keeping up with the forum and wonder if he was removing fuses to check and clean them and did not get them back seated properly. It would appear that many of the suggested mods on here were done by the previous owner. I also corrected one of the set of plugs on the rear six pack, they had been swapped for the right and left raise. Thanks for the tips as usual.

(11-07-2023, 05:11 PM)Latitude 28 Wrote:  
(11-07-2023, 03:14 PM)[email protected] Wrote:  So I have been having issues with my air leveling acting wonky. Typical issue would be it airing up with a list to the passenger side. I messed around at the rear six pack and proved by manually overriding the solenoids that the system was working fine from the air solenoid onward. Richard had lead me to where the control box would be found in another thread. 
I Today I finally opened up the HWH control box below the driver seat in the outside compartment. I was checking things with my power probe and generally examining looking for anything out of place. I put my power probe on one of the fuses and notice it started clicking and all I was doing was touching it. 

Upon closer inspection this is what I found:




As you can see the fuse was not correctly seated in the fuse holder, I found 2 of the solenoid fuses like this. 

After putting these fuses back into the holders, seems that the system is now operating correctly. I will need to do some more testing but I did hit the raise button and it raised the entire coach up, before it would just raise the left side. 

Here is a photo of my HWH control box


Here is the box layout drawing on the back of the cover


Showing where I found the box
Good Job....A great find!

Thanks Steve!

Jeff LoGiudice
Temple Terrace, Fl & Loudon & Monterey, TN
1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge PT40
1998 Newell 2000 #490
1986 MCI/TMC 102A3 (sold)
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#5

Im like Richard, I chase leveling issues all the time. just recently it decided that it did not want to raise the right rear unless i go to raise mode then back to travel. Thinking one of the leveling valves I installed back there possibly has failed. But as long as it raises and doesnt lean IM happy at this point. But I will go pull all the fuses and clean just for maint concerns.

Adam & Dana Mize
coach # 480
1998 45'  2 slides
Detroit Diesel  series 60  ddec

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#6

Deoxit is your friend. Whenever I'd pull a fuse or connector I'd put a bit of Deoxit on it to clean the contacts. Then as Richard said add a bit of anti oxidizing goop to prevent further oxidation.

Forest & Cindy Olivier
1987 log cabin
2011 Roadtrek C210P
PO 1999 Foretravel 36'
1998 Newell 45' #486 

1993 Newell 39' #337 
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#7

Good catch! I wish my box was like yours it amazes me how different each one of these coaches are, my box looks like methuselah's head of wires poking out the front the fuses are difficult to get to.

1999 45'  #504 "Magnolia"
Gravette, Arkansas
1996 40 XL Prevost Marathon 
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#8

Howdy.  I have this same hwh box ap12232.  There is a couple wires that have burned up on the control board (pictured).  Last year when I was at newell they put a switch on it to force it into to travel mode.  I have been looking for a replace my box which doesn’t look like they ever come up for sale. 

I have found a box that looks to be the same ap9651.  It’s for the same 600 series units.  Can anyone confirm or deny if this would work??  And I can retain my control pad that is already in here..

I know I can send it back for repair but I’m trying to minimize downtime


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Dennis White
1997 Newell Coach 454
Canfield OH
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#9

I would first find where the wires go and find what has been compromised and repair it, I don't have anything fond to say about HWH other than if your take your rig there they can fix it quick I am told.

I can see your problem was a mouse as you zoom in and see the teeth marks on the wire insulation. I would snip the bad part out and replace with some 18 gauge wire. The black wire should be power, the white wire is ground and the yellow wire is some type of signal in or out more than likely to the solenoid valve or another contactor relay. If you don't feel comfortable with electric I most certainly get an appointment with HWH and take the rig to them. Great pictures by the way!

1999 45'  #504 "Magnolia"
Gravette, Arkansas
1996 40 XL Prevost Marathon 
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#10

(06-06-2026, 06:08 AM)whited44 Wrote:  Howdy.  I have this same hwh box ap12232.  There is a couple wires that have burned up on the control board (pictured).  Last year when I was at newell they put a switch on it to force it into to travel mode.  I have been looking for a replace my box which doesn’t look like they ever come up for sale. 

I have found a box that looks to be the same ap9651.  It’s for the same 600 series units.  Can anyone confirm or deny if this would work??  And I can retain my control pad that is already in here..

I know I can send it back for repair but I’m trying to minimize downtime

Did you see my video on this Dennis, probably the same problem. I just had another problem crop up that one of my front bags is not dumping air. 

https://youtu.be/OJN6c4zEN20?si=x-oYmJDy5cvIqv27

Jeff LoGiudice
Temple Terrace, Fl & Loudon & Monterey, TN
1984 Bluebird Wanderlodge PT40
1998 Newell 2000 #490
1986 MCI/TMC 102A3 (sold)
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